Now that the season has finally concluded, in grand fashion of course it’s allowed the UCB to finally get to our post season roundtable. For those of you who do know me or have read my limited posts you know that the roundtables are my favorite project to participate in. With the timing of my question it’s been a challenge for me to get the post live but I’m finally able to do so and below is my question followed by the group’s responses.
When the name Tony LaRussa is mentioned around Cardinal Nation it tends to draw a battle line in the sand. It was a love/hate relationship with most fans leaving a small percentage somewhere in the middle. On Tuesday Mark had us discussing who we would like to see as the successor to Tony. Today I ask you to tell us what your lasting impression will be of him: positive or negative. You can use a short story like a favorite moment to help paint a picture or simply give us a few short words. And if you need to go to your bullpen for help finishing your answer that’s fine as well.
Bill Ivie – I-70 Baseball
This is a solid question…
As a fan and someone rooting for this team, Tony caused me to pull my hair out. I hated the way he micromanaged, the way he ran players out of town, and the way he seemingly got caught up in the chess match of the game. All that being said, the man was a class act, funny when the time called for it, and a game changer.
Think about this for a minute: the LOOGY, a hitter with some pop in the two spot, the best hitter on the team hitting third, the pitcher hitting eighth, and -to a lesser extent- the closer. All of these things TLR had a major hand in making the status quo in different environments. The man literally changed the game that we know and love. Very few men can claim to be innovators of a professional sport. We witnessed one for sixteen years in St. Louis.
And before I get all the hate mail, I have a lot of respect for the man, but I was one of his biggest detractors. I stand by everything I said about him then and now. I never liked him, but I respected the results he got. LaGenius, indeed.
Dathan Brooks – Good Morning, Good Afternoon, Goodnight
Positive. I read someone earlier today who said saying “LaRussa” in St. Louis is like saying “Obama” anywhere else in the country. Both sides dig in, and battle the other with point, counter-point, counter-totally-unrelated-point. It’s a long, pointless (often heated) battle of “You’re not changing my mind, and I’m not changing yours”. I don’t consider myself a huge TLR honk, but it often comes across that way. I’ve told this story before, but will share it again, because I think it bears repeating, particularly given your question, Dustin.
Last summer, one member of the three-headed-TLR-hating beast that make up some friends of mine & I went to a Giants/Cards game. Whoever started that game got one out in the 7th, but couldn’t finish the job. TLR calls for Trever Miller to come in. Miller struck out the next two batters, to end the top of the 7th. Miller returned in the top of the 8th, and struck out the first two batters he faced, then Tony came out and brought a right-hander in to face Andres Torres.
Him: See, that’s what I’m talking about right there. Why wouldn’t you leave Miller in?
Me: What are Torres’ career numbers against Miller?
Him: I don’t know.
Me: Is he 11-13 with 6 doubles, and 12 RBI?
Him: I have no idea.
Me: Do you think Dave Duncan & Tony LaRussa know?
My point is not that TLR always makes the right move, or the smartest, most conventional decision. I don’t agree with everything he did, and while I did trust him, he didn’t have a blank check of endorsement from me on any & all decisions. My point is always the same: I’m not saying he’s right or he’s wrong. All I’m saying is that there’s a pretty good chance he has access to more information about the situation than we do.
One of my fantasy baseball leagues is crawling with haters, and I’m constantly listening to how TLR isn’t a good manager. We’ve all heard the same things: He overmanages and blah, blah, blah. Finally, I posed the question to others in my league: What makes a manager a good manager? Is it how many championships he’s won? Is it trips to the postseason? Career winning percentage? Years as a manager? Making decisions on the field that you agree with from your recliner? The message board got pretty quiet after that.
My point is that he’s a very polarizing figure, as you pointed out. Most folks love him or hate him, and few of those people, if any, will ever change their mind. He managed the Cardinals for almost half of my life, and during that time made a habit out of getting to the postseason, and he added two World Championship flags to the Cardinals collection. That’s a plus in my book.
Daniel Shoptaw – C70 At The Bat
I was a Tony La Russa fan while he was in Oakland. I remember getting the George Will book Men At Work (and, if you’ve never read it, I encourage you to. I’ve read my copy so often that the pages are falling out) and being excited that a couple of my favorites (La Russa and Orel Hershiser) were featured in the book.
When I heard that he was coming to St. Louis, I was ecstatic. There aren’t too many managers that are legends, and TLR was at that time (and still is). It showed a commitment to the team that I felt had been lacking the last couple of years of Brewery ownership.
Was it all that I expected? Yeah, pretty much. I mean, we fussed at Tony. We didn’t understand why players like Anthony Reyes didn’t get a fair shake. We didn’t want to see another old guy take the job of an up and comer. We didn’t see the necessity of using a left-handed reliever when the Cards were up by three with two outs in the ninth. We anguished over the Rolen and Rasmus feuds.
And yet, it all worked. Three World Series appearances with two wins in 16 years is a record that anyone can approve of, but especially an organization that wandered in the wilderness for close to 20 years. Tony’s teams were rarely not competitive, something that couldn’t be said for the Torre years. Winning baseball games is what matters and La Russa, for all of his quirks, did that at a level we hadn’t seen in a long while in St. Louis.
I’m glad that he went out with a Series win and I’ve got to say that I am going to miss him more than I thought I would earlier in the year, when the team looked out of touch. I’ve no doubt he’ll do something baseball related and I look forward to him returning to St. Louis when they retire his number sometime in the future.
Tom Knuppel – CardinalsGM
I will remember Tony LaRussa as a manager that knew how to use an entire squad. Look back at several years yields the fact that his player appeared “sharper” in September/October than players on other teams due to his constantly resting players throughout the season and the use of an entire 25 man and sometimes the Memphis roster for that to happen.
There’s no doubt in my mind that he’s going down as one of the top 5 managers of all time. While I was not happy with some of his decisions like taking away Ozzie’s playing time with Royce Clayton in 1996, when I made my first trip to Busch Stadium during Tony’s first season as manager, I’m happy with the results of his time in the long run.
Am I sad that Rolen and Tony did not get a long? Yes, you can sure bet on that. Am I sad that Edmonds got traded towards the end of his career? Of course, I am. If those things don’t happen, along with trading away Colby Rasmus to Toronto, do I get to see one of the most memorable games of all time? I don’t know. It’s hard to say.
We can nitpick about minor details all we want but in the end, during his 16 seasons in St. Louis, he took us to the postseason 9 times where the Cardinals reached the NLCS 8 times, including 3 NL pennants and 2 World Series titles. As a fan, you can’t ask for more and I look forward to the 2014 Hall of Fame inductions.
Bob Netherton – On The Outside Corner
Positive, with a capital P, but that doesn’t come close to doing La Russa’s tenure in St. Louis justice. You need words more like transformational, innovative, and competitive. Those will be the lasting impressions of Tony La Russa.
Although we are the best fans in baseball, we are also a most fortunate lot, because we have had so much to cheer about. Three times in the last half century, it wasn’t that way. In fact, each time the franchise came dangerously close to becoming another Pittsburgh Pirates or Cincinnati Reds, much more so than recapturing the legacy of the Gashouse Gang. All three times, a transformational manager came to the rescue and turned the team around, creating champions. Those three were Johnny Keane, Whitey Herzog and Tony La Russa. Behind each of these was a successful general manager and an ownership team willing to invest to get a championship, but it was these three men that made that happen. In case you are wondering, I do put Red Schoendienst in his own special category that transcends all of this.
With 16 years of competitive baseball and post-season success, it is far too easy to forget about the doldrums that were the Torre years (1990-1995) when just reaching .500 was considered a monumental success. Then there was the Vern Rapp era (1977-1978). He had been successful in the minor leagues, and had a hand in the 1967 success, but failed to adapt to the new free agent era of players rebelling against authority. Ken Boyer did not have much success either, but might have become a great manager had his illness not claimed his life so early.
Like Whitey Herzog did in 1980, Tony La Russa tore apart the team and rebuilt it around a core of players, some of which he brought over from his previous team – Todd Stottlemyre, Dennis Eckersley, Rick Honeycutt and later, Mark McGwire. There were some new faces as well, Andy Benes, Gary Gaetti, Ron Gant, Royce Clayton. The 1995 team was well on its way to 100 losses, and La Russa turned it into a team that won the NL Central, and came very close to advancing to the World Series.
Sure, he micro-managed every aspect of the game, but we forget there was a rather crusty old white haired cuss in the dugout that used to do the exact same thing. How many times did we see a pitcher in the outfield, just because there was a favorable match-up coming up in a few batters. That was Herzog, not La Russa. If given the choice, I’d rather have La Russa’s methods than Joe Torre, who watched Jose DeLeon fall apart night after night at nearly the exact same pitch count. Every time it happened, it seemed to catch Torre totally unprepared.
Oh, La Russa did some things that could make you fill a cuss jar, but he also took his team into postseason with regularity, made it to the final series three times, and brought it all home twice – that’s one more than Whitey Herzog, Johnny Keane and Red Schoendienst.
While I look forward to the next year, I will miss Tony La Russa, just as much as I did when Whitey Herzog stepped down in 1990. And end of a very exciting era of Cardinals baseball. It will be a happy day in Cardinals history when his #10 is added to the list of retired numbers and his likeness takes its place alongside Herzog and Red.
Wow…what a heavy question…specifically because Tony La Russa is such a polarizing, independent figure. He did things his own way so much that you would be hard-pressed to find a single, solitary fan that absolutely loved everything Tony did during his time here. You may count yourself as a TLR supporter…but you know you had your “DAMN IT, TONY!” moments, too.
I think that’s where my memory of Tony starts…in fact, you could say there are 3 components to my memory of Tony. The first is his independent, multi-faceted nature. I count myself as a Tony supporter…but you’ve all seen me rant and call for his head season to season and various times. There are things I absolutely love about him…and things I can’t stand about him…and those things tend to shift from week to week. One week, I love the match-up crazy approach he takes to the mound…the next week, I’m begging him to leave “so and so” in for another batter. One week I’m ripping him for letting Skip face a lefty…the next week I’m ripping him for “pulling the night’s best hitter!” Point is, Tony always did things his own way…regardless of the fan/media/etc. reaction…and THAT, above all else, is what drove fans nuts. They just couldn’t apply a conventional, predictable wisdom/method to Tony’s actions and decisions…because he seemed to have no guiding principal other than his own internal compass.
The second component revolves around his polarizing reputation. Dathan touched on this a bit earlier, but let me talk a bit on it too. I always hear people across the country talk about Tony’s arrogant, self-centered nature. They seem to villianize the man outrageously at times…and I can certainly understand that from another fan’s perspective. But the Tony I got to know from the other side of a TV screen was anything but arrogant…nor was he self-centered. I remember the Reds’ announcer/writer/whatever saying Tony thinks he invented the game. No…he just carries an amazing level of respect for the game…and feels a responsibility to pass on what he’s learned/knows as it was passed on to him. I think that’s it…what others see as arrogant, self-centeredness…many of us in Cardinal Nation know as respect, humility, and overwhelming responsibility to his place in the game’s history and future. That’s it right there…I’ll remember Tony’s duality. To those who “knew him”…he was a completely different man than he came across as to those who did not. I look forward to the rest of the world getting to know the REAL Tony now that he’s not in the thick of things any longer.
Finally, the third component is perhaps a result of the second…what Tony taught me about major league baseball. Yeah, I’ve been a fan since the early Whitey years…but I was VERY young. When I really started getting into the details of the game, how it’s prepared for, how it’s executed, etc….that was during the Tony years. What I learned about a major league baseball team, game, and season was filtered through watching TLR night after night for over a decade. Things like constructing a ‘pen with two lefty specialists and a shutdown closer…potential damage in the two hole…building a roster with 12/13 pitchers…using the entire roster…configuring lineups with a dual purpose – to play match-ups for that day and to keep the entire roster fresh…and on and on…that all came from TLR. Bill already touched on this a bit…but let me say this…I don’t think Cardinal Nation fully appreciates – especially the younger generation – just how much they “know” about the game is due to Tony La Russa’s influence. He not only changed the game…he changed the fan’s perception and “knowledge” of the game. Perhaps that will only be evident in the years to come as we find ourselves screaming at the new manager to “put a lefty in, dummy!!!!” Or scratching our heads at the near paralysis of bench players who seem to never enter the game – “Why have ‘em if you ain’t gonna’ use ‘em, Coach?!” What I know of the game…I know in large part because of Tony La Russa. I think that is what I’ll remember most.
So, I guess I will remember him in a positive light – as others have said – with a capital “P”. Tony did so much for this organization…3 World Series appearances, 2 titles, multiple Division titles, 3 NL pennants, multiple playoff appearances…and a constant expectation of contending…over 16 years! Sure, at times it feels as if we could have…perhaps should have…gotten just a bit more…but that’s how it goes. Tony deserves his place on the wall in left field. His red jacket cannot come soon enough, and I look forward to seeing him wear it in the near future.
Aaron Hooks – Cards Diaspora
This isn’t a hard question.
Tony LaRussa is the best manager the Cardinals have ever had.
Ray DeRousse – STLCardinal Baseball
You’re asking a guy who wore a “Fire LaRussa” shirt to the ballpark on August 26th in protest over his disastrous handling of Carpenter’s start the previous Monday. And, I might add, I received almost universal praise for that shirt and its message.
I was as thrilled as anyone by the Cardinals’ incredible run and triumph. But how much of that success came from TLR? Meanwhile, I can point to five games during that stretch that TLR completely pissed away with his ridiculous tinkering. How many games did he lose all by himself simply from being involved and obstinate?
My overwhelming feeling is that TLR decided too many games for someone not actually playing on the field. I prefer my manager to make sound moves and get the hell out of the way, something TLR never did. That, his lying, and his peculiar inability to get along with certain talented individuals, will be his lasting legacy to me.
Still trying to explain away those championships, though.
Positive. When he joined our organization back in 1996, of course I was unsure about him. Whiteyball had been so prevalent that I couldn’t imagine another manager with our Cards. I definitely had doubts about Tony. It took a while but he did it and won over the loyalty of all of us Herzog fans (& that was difficult to do). Overall, TLR will remain positive with fans. He brought us these 2 World Championships and like Herzog and his Whiteyball, he taught us about his Tonyball (we gotta come up with something better).
I will point out…the “how much of that success came from TLR?” question comes out all the time…national and local…fans and media…and I think the reason is, it’s a nearly impossible question to answer…making it a safe one to pose. On the other hand, in hindsight, decisions made by TLR that did not work out and contributed to games we lost are very simple to point to but can sometimes suffer from a much too narrow focus on a single decision versus other factors (underperforming offense, etc.).
I think, however, the “how much of that success came from TLR” question is perhaps interesting here…given the many postseason pitching changes, PH scenarios, etc. that popped up during the playoffs. I can think of many games in the postseason in which Tony’s decisions could have easily saved the game/season for us…especially decisions to pull starters/etc. so early.
I’m not disagreeing with you, Ray…I just think the “how much of that success” question is an unfair one often times simply because it is nearly impossible to answer…because we don’t know what MIGHT have happened if he hadn’t made a decision or “tinkered”. I think the asking of that question deserves to be challenged a bit more than it is for the sake of discussion…especially because the opposite – how many games did he cost us by moves/non-moves – can be “supported” (if often out of context) by actual events rather than supposition.
Erika Lynn – Cardinal Diamond Diaries
I love this question & the responses so far. Whether fans loved him
or hated him (or both), Tony La Russa will forever hold a special
place in my heart. TLR is the only Cardinal manager I’ve known, and I
consider myself lucky in that regard. My introduction to baseball’s
rules & idiosyncrasies was born in the La Russa Era, and I am a more
intelligent fan because of it.
I have spent much of the last 5 years asking “why?”… Why is the
lineup so goofy tonight? Why is Tony taking out the pitcher here?
Why is so-and-so in the game instead of ___? Well, each of those
befuddled, bewildered “why’s” led me to the discovery of more
fascinating nuggets of baseball strategy: loogy’s, late inning
defensive substitutions, double switches, lineups favoring southpaws
vs righties, etc. On closer evaluation, those intricate TLR battle
plans revealed the magic of game-changing potential in every single
matchup, in every pitch. Learning baseball through following a La
Russa team was baptism by fire.
Tony’s legacy to me will be that of strategic genius who challenged me
to stretch my imagination and wrap my mind around the beauty of each
unique game within a game. Retiring on the high of another World
Series Championship is the perfect parting shot for this man who has
forever left his mark on the St. Louis Cardinals and the game
Admiration – yes.
Respect – absolutely.
Lovable, endearing, friendly dancing-in-the-dugout type manager — see
Positive legacy – without a doubt; and winning championships certainly
Tara Wellman – Aaron Miles’ Fastball
I’m another one of those with a complicated answer to this question, almost entirely because my opinion hasn’t been a constant, and I’ve learned and grown with each experience.
As Erika said, Tony’s the only Cardinal manager I remember, so all of my personal understanding of “Cardinals baseball” developed watching the Genius at work. Yes, I do believe wholeheartedly that TLR is a baseball genius. His mind works in a way that is so foreign to most other baseball guys — much less average fans! — that it’s perplexing on many occasions. Thus, we shout and complain about all the “whys” Erika mentioned.
His moves don’t often make sense. When they fail, you may be inclined to question his sanity. But when they succeed, you likely have that light-bulb moment, the one where you say, “AH! That’s what he was doing!”
The last few years, I’ve questioned him as much as I have praised him. Some times he simply out-manages himself. He toys too much. He thinks one too many moves ahead. The proverbial chess match gets a little too complicated, and it doesn’t work out. And when it fails, it looks really bad.
Then he starts Miguel Batista against the Reds, banking on an impending rain delay, saves his real starter, and infuriates Dusty Baker in the process. Because it worked … and it was brilliant.
Just as this wild and wacky World Series run couldn’t have happened with out each of the players contributing, it also wouldn’t have happened without Tony La Russa. Just listen to the way the players talk about him — they trust him, respect him, and believe 100% in the system that got them through the most improbable comeback in baseball history. Is he solely responsible? No. But neither is Carp, Pujols, Freese, Berkman, etc.
Ultimately, my lasting impression of Tony is this: Tony is a part of the team, and he’s more than willing to make himself the scapegoat to protect his players. He’s brilliant, focused, and as competitive as anyone out there. He’s scrappy — just like he likes his players to be — and he’s not afraid to take risks, change the status quo, and try his luck. That, and he simply loves this game. It’s not always pretty (or fun to watch!), but the results — and his impact on the players — can’t be denied. The man is one of the best.
Tony’s micromanaging could induce serious stress. But there is no denying the positive impact he’s had on the Cardinals. And therefore, my answer is definitely positive.
Even when you consider the aspects of La Russa that many were annoyed by, they even generated positive. His rivalry with Rolen? Had you not traded Rolen, there may not be an opening at third base. La Russa and Edmonds had a strained relationship at times. Had you not traded him, would David Freese be in St. Louis hitting the game 6 walk-off? And Colby Rasmus. Who’s to say this kid is ever going to be successful? LaRussa or not, the kid has an attitude that won’t be adjusted for the positive. But you can not deny, trading him and getting Jackson, Zepper and Dotel … and even Patterson … was positive.
Brendan Ryan? Sure, we had to deal with the Ryan Theriot experiment, but you can not even deny Rafael Furcal’s impact. And per the bylaws of AMF’s Ryan Theriot Fan Club, I must add even Theriot did some OK things at times.
OK, enough of that…
TLR brought two World Series titles and lots of excitement in his 16 years with the Cardinals. He brought his teams through some of the darkest times with the club after the passing of Jack Buck, DK and Josh Hancock. He had an innovative way of managing. And after these 16 years, it’s going to be hard not seeing some of the crazy things he would do. Double switching? Bringing in specialists? That’s all on him. And while it was quite frustrating at times, it was his style and he was successful with it.
Mark Tomasik – Retrosimba
My lasting impression of Tony La Russa is how he would sign autographs between innings of spring training games at Jupiter, Fla. La Russa watched the games from a folding chair outside the dugout along a short fence just in front of the stands. Between innings, fans walked down to the fence and handed La Russa items to sign. I have attended many games at Jupiter since 2000 and never saw him fail to sign between innings. For a manager often criticized for his intenseness and seriousness, I prefer to remember this other side of him and to remember that with Tony, like everyone, there often are more sides to a person than meets the eye.
Malcolm Pierce – The Redbird Menace
Truly a complicated question. Over the years, I’ve found myself on both sides of that battle line. I didn’t really forgive La Russa for putting Ankiel in against the Mets in the 2000 NLCS for a long time. I hated him for a lot time after that. Of course, as we eventually saw, La Russa didn’t forgive himself either.
Not long before the 2006 World Series, I grew tired of the complaints most people had against him. He really wasn’t a worse field manager than others in the league. His infuriating decisions were easily matched with the infuriating decisions and indecisions of other skippers. He helmed two incredible teams in 2004 and 2005, then took a weak team to a title. I couldn’t complain and found myself defending him against his detractors.
Starting in 2010, his bizarre relationship with Rasmus started getting on my nerves. His decisions became more and more erratic and unpredictable. He forced out a brilliant fielding shortstop in Brendan Ryan, then replaced him with a guy who couldn’t play the position anymore. Theriot and Schumaker shouldn’t have been playing behind a ground ball staff. I couldn’t believe how long he stuck with Ryan Franklin and allowed him to pitch in actual, meaningful baseball games. As wondrous as the September comeback was, some better decisions early in the season might have made it unnecessary.
If I had to add up his entire career, I would say that I will have a positive memory of him. We won a lot of games. We went to a lot of postseasons. But I will always wonder if it’s La Russa I’m fondly remembering or his place besides the accomplishments of Walt Jocketty, Dave Duncan, Mark McGwire, Jim Edmonds, and Albert Pujols.
Aaron Wood – El Maquino
I always thought Tony got way worse a wrap than he deserved, which I cannot help but think stems from something deeper than a dislike for his management style–TLR had a lot of harsh critics, but the only reason to be harsh about a baseball manager is if you have a beef with him as a person, not a manager.
That said, I think I am one of Tony’s biggest fans. I constantly made it an effort to answer why he was doing what he was doing, and in doing so, I became much smarter about the ins and outs of the game. I will always look at baseball like I think Tony would look at it, and I am thankful that I got to see him at work, even for a short time.
I ask that question “how much of the success came from TLR?” only because so many are apparently eager and willing to lay all of the credit at his feet. Really, when a manager is doing his job correctly, his influence should be imperceptible. He puts the obvious people in their correct places in the lineup, and changes pitchers when they need to be changed.
TLR was anything but imperceptible. There are so many games I can remember just from this season in which TLR made changes that were obviously bad that resulted in losses arising solely from his machinations. I remember 40,000 fans booing him loudly on August 22 when he pulled Carp in the ninth … somehow the fans knew what TLR didn’t. I just think a manager’s fingerprints shouldn’t be so obviously seen in a game.
Additionally, TLR was so very obstinate about certain things. For instance, Holliday batting fourth in the World Series when it was so obviously killing us and he simply refused to acknowledge it until the last game. Or pitching Ryan Franklin over and over again when it was obviously detrimental, Or pitching Rhodes against people he should never face.
I’m inclined to believe that this team succeeded DESPITE TLR rather than BECAUSE of TLR.
Christine Coleman – Aaron Miles’ Fastball
While I’ve been a baseball fan most of my life, I’ve only been a Cardinals fan since the 2000 season. I was of course aware of Tony La Russa before that, starting with his days as the White Sox manager, and quickly learned upon becoming a Cards fan how widely the opinions of him among the fan base varied.
Personally, I admire and respect him. I learned much about baseball from watching how he manages a team and a game, and learned even more from reading about him in “Men at Work” and “Three Nights in August.” Of course I was at times frustrated and confused about moves he made during particular games and, at the end of the 2010 season, was ready for him to retire. But I’m glad he didn’t.
The job he did in bringing the team together this year from the end of August through the end of October – I know we all spent a lot of time yesterday discussing who was the most valuable Cardinal during the stretch run. I mentioned La Russa in my answer and said that leaders lead … and make the right moves at the right times to allow the players to respond. He made the moves, the players responded and now he gets to ride off into the sunset of retirement on the ultimate high note. And, it probably goes without saying but I will anyway that my last impression is positive.
Love him or hate him, his legacy over the past 33 years should be unquestionable. He’s without a doubt a Hall of Famer.
Nick – Pitchers Hit Eighth
I’ll be cheering when they put #10 on the wall at Busch III.
JE Powell – STL Fear The Red
I have been critical of La Russa many times in the best. From “hindsight is 20/20″ point of view, some of the moves he has made have been questionable. But the one thing that I have always loved about La Russa is his surliness. He reminds me of the old neighbor who yells at kids to get off his grass, when they are clearly on the sidewalk. I am going to miss him pacing the dugout with an expressionless or frowny face, even when thing were going well. La Russa had a very successful run as the Cardinals skipper and I cannot wait for his number to be retired and his enshrinement into Cooperstown.
Yes it’s a complicated question for a complicated man. he was so good at winning our love and then right after that doing something to piss us off. It was definitely a love/hate thing with that man. I’m one of those Tony fans & have spent many hours defending him & wondering did the right thing. Overall, he makes me feel good. Down deep he’s a good guy.
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